So You Think Hillary Will Be A Secular President Who’ll Kick Out The Fundies?

Think again:

Hillary Clinton: I believe in the father, son, and Holy Spirit, and I have felt the presence of the Holy Spirit on many occasions in my years on this earth.

Reporter: Can I ask you theologically, do you believe that the resurrection of Jesus actually happened, that it actually historically did happen?

Senator Clinton: Yes, I do.

Reporter: And, do you believe on the salvation issue — and this is controversial too — that belief in Christ is needed for going to heaven?

Senator Clinton: That one I’m a little more open to. I think that it is, as we understand our relationship to God as Christians, it is how we see our way forward, and it is the way. But, ever since I was a little girl, I’ve asked every Sunday school teacher I’ve ever had, I asked every theologian I’ve ever talked with, whether that meant that there was no salvation, there was no heaven for people who did not accept Christ. And, you’re well aware that there are a lot of answers to that. There are people who are totally rooted in the fact that, no, that’s why there are missionaries, that’s why you have to try to convert. And, then there are a lot of other people who are deeply faithful and deeply Christ-centered who say, that’s how we understand it and who are we to read God’s mind about such a weighty decision as that.

Reporter: And your attitude toward the Bible about how literally people should take it.

Senator Clinton: I think the whole Bible is real. The whole Bible gives you a glimpse of God and God’s desire for a personal relationship, but we can’t possibly understand every way God is communicating with us. I’ve always felt that people who try to shoehorn in their cultural and social understandings of the time into the Bible might be actually missing the larger point that we’re supposed to take from the Bible.

Full transcript… Audio…

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Comment of The Day – Pickles For Prez!

ElsafromIndy commenting at the Guardian makes a incidental yet frightening point that should make American voters quake in their boots:

Hillary rode into the US Senate on the coat tails of her husband. She is no feminist although she likes to talk the talk. Her “experience” is just more lies and distortions.

What this means is Laura Bush can come striding out claiming experience to be the next president as well. What can of worms has Hillary opened by her false claims of experience?

Well, quite.

The problem with the Evita syndrome is that the succeeding spouse need not have any real talent or solid political achievement behind her or him to aspire to high office. The media sycophancy and special treatment they’ve had as VIP partners is sufficient to convince them that they are indeed special, important, powerful, the potential saviours of their country and planet.

Who knows who’ll stand next?

Pickles For Prez! Cherie for Chequers! They could sell them to the electorate as The Good Bush and Blair. Why the hell not? It works for Hillary.

He’s Not The Messiah He’s An Ordinary Bloke

1. Obamagasm
The peak of excitement that occurs when Obama does anything good, characterized by strong feelings of pleasure, usually accompanied by celebration. Occassionally results in college students blowing their loads in their trousers at the sight of Obama winning a campaign.

After learning of the the 2008 Iowa Caucus results, Steve obamagasmed.

My blogging about the US primaries has been pretty desultory lately; I’m not a registered Democrat so it’s not my business who the candidate is, really. I’ll have my say, like everyone else, during the election proper. Besides, I’ve already said what I think of the Democratic candidates. Not a lot.

Wwhoever gets nominated and elected, the same shit – war, starvation, runaway globalisation, climate change – has still got to be dealt with, but to get elected a presidential candidate must do deals that ensure that those things will continue, whatever their professed public positions may be. Compromises will made. Situational pragmatism will prevail in policy, as per usual.

A change of President is not going to usher in a a new age of global peace and plenty and a pony. Those who are expecting Obama, Saviour-like, to stride in and sweep the moneymen from the temple don’t really realise quite how many moneymen there are and how deeply comfortable they are in his own party.

Though as far as I’m concerned Obama is the only half-decent human being in the bunch of presidential canidates, that’s all he is. In the end he’s just another politician. An inspiring speaker, yes, but not the secular Second Coming, however fervently that may be wished for by some of the electorate.

HTML Mencken at Sadly, No sees the dangers of this political idolatry:

Eh. It’s not the support I object to, it’s the enthusiasm. For any politician. But especially for such mediocre ones. After all, it’s not as if either Clinton or Obama are exactly FDR incarnate; they are both fairly average “liberal” politicians who are thoroughly schooled in the arts of serial triangulation. They ain’t radical; nor are they idealist; they are simply better than Republican alternatives. And it won’t do to mask such a homely reality with fawning, drooling praise of either politician.

Of course I can see Obama’s appeal. You only have to watch him speak to get caught up in it. Listening to him you’re inspired, you choke up, you feel it – the audacity of hope! He radiates political charisma and intelligence, you trust him, you want to bask in that warm glow that everything’s going to be all right. But words are not actions and hope can a very dangerous narcotic.

Not only have they perverted the political process itself but the Republican party under Bush and Cheney have deliberately undermined and corrupted the apparatus and structure of government, military, legislature and judiciary in order to ensure the continued supremacy of their corpocracy, regardless of whatever the future will of the voters might be and of whoever might sit in the White House.

They’ve seeded all levels of state and national government with hundreds, maybe thousands, of people just like them who’ll continue to cause untold damage long after their patrons are swept out of office.

It’s not just cleaning up Washington; that’s just window dressing. There’s a whole national and international structure of corruption and self interest supporting Washington to be dismantled – and it has guns. That can’t be done with the audacity of hope. Wishing won’t make it so.

I don’t know, call me old and tired and cynical but I feel so sorry for all these people who’re putting their faith in Obama, yearning for a strong hero to ride into town and oust the bad guys. They’re headed for bitter disappointment and I’m going to hate to see a generation feeling the first stirrings of political empowerment become equally bitter and cynical as mine, as they come face to face with reality post-election.

But for now there’s plenty drunk on the moment. HTML sees this in terms of nostalgia for a lost golden age, a turning into the pillow, a return to the dream of sheep. He takes particular aim at liberal centrist Ezra Klein:

The answer, I think, is related to that most childish desire: the security blanket. More specifically, it’s the comfort found in the will to believe, and especially believe in an authority. Or as Klein himself explains in one of those admissions that the older people who dote on him like to tell themselves are evidence of his growth but are in actuality merely reminders to all of his incredibly ill-suited (for a political animal of any substance) instincts:

[W]hat’s really warped in me is not where I stand on the political spectrum, but the trust and assumption of good faith with which I can approach the news, and the Republicans, and all the rest.

Oh, to believe again! Oh, to be able to turn the page, to forget the bad Nixon Reagan Bush years, to sacrifice vigilance and skepticism, to pretend that all the damage was an accident, an aberration and not an inevitable result of the stupidity and wickedness of the Republicans in particular and reactionary ideology in general. Oh, to go back again to the halcyon days when honest conservatives and sensible liberals honorably and civilly overcame their differences to form a trustworthy government! Yes, yes: this infantile desire is a thumb that, once placed in the mouth, will always become a hook.

Yes it is naive and infantile, but I’m loth to criticise someone young for their idealism – we were all idealists once. On the other hand, HTML does have a point that a political pundit really shouldn’t be quite so credulous as to take a candidate at face value.

I think there’s more to it than just Obama as security blanket or crusading hero.

Remember that ’70s Coke ad “I’d like to teach the world to sing”? Wingers, hippies, construction workers and photogenic minorities, all joining together in one big corporate harmony; if we all sang together and kept drinking Coke, we could look to a glorious future hand-in-hand. That’s Obama and it sells.

With younger supporters, we’re also looking at a generation soaked in image and narrative: everything must have a story and stories must have an ending, preferably positive and audience mandated. No downers, man – they are the consumers after all. Obama’s story, that goes along with the image, is the triumph of the underdog and in buying the image voters are pushing that narrative along.

Despite the numbers turning up at rallies and supporting him online what all Obama supporters seem to share is a curious passivity. Some want to be fed something, not to do something, to be consumers rather than active participants, to choose Coke over Pepsi and then to be able forget it about it for 4 years. Some just want to be part of the incrowd, others delude themselves they’re actually exerting power by clicking a MySpace icon. Some in the blogosphere may be hoping for preferment in an eventual Obama administration. All of them want to be given something not do something.

But what if the underdog doesn’t triumph? What if Obama’s not nominated? What if MCain wins – by fair means or foul – and there’s another four years of war, greed, corruption, torture and corporate theft? If US voters are really audacious enough to hope they need to do more than idolise, they need to mobilise.

Organisation on the ground at a local level is what works, not putting an ordinary man on a pedestal and expecting him to do the impossible just because you want him to. It’ll take much more than one man, no matter how charismatic and talented, to rid the country and the world of corporate Republicanism and neoconnery.

Dallas up to its old tricks again?

The city has killed one president and if the following is true, Palau is right to worry about Obama’s survival chances:

DALLAS — Security details at Barack Obama’s rally Wednesday stopped screening people for weapons at the front gates more than an hour before the Democratic presidential candidate took the stage at Reunion Arena.

The order to put down the metal detectors and stop checking purses and laptop bags came as a surprise to several Dallas police officers who said they believed it was a lapse in security.

Dallas Deputy Police Chief T.W. Lawrence, head of the Police Department’s homeland security and special operations divisions, said the order — apparently made by the U.S. Secret Service — was meant to speed up the long lines outside and fill the arena’s vacant seats before Obama came on.

“Sure,” said Lawrence, when asked if he was concerned by the great number of people who had gotten into the building without being checked. But, he added, the turnout of more than 17,000 people seemed to be a “friendly crowd.”

The era of presidential assassinations might be over in the US, but if there was any candidate that might be targeted, my money would be on Obama. Though Hillary Clinton also provokes enough blind rage amongst wingnut circles of course.