Don’t Stop Thinking About Tomorrow Triangulation

Clinton triangulation in action

Cartoon courtesy of Zot Media

Here’s more evidence, if much more were needed, that the Democrats, and most specifically the Clintons, are not the good guys. The cavalry is not coming – or at least not in the shape of Hillary and Bill.

Torture like Jack Bauer’s would be OK, Bill Clinton says
BY MICHAEL McAULIFF
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

Monday, October 1st 2007, 4:00 AM
WASHINGTON – What the nation needs is some good Jack Bauer agents, says Bill Clinton.

Bill and Hillary Clinton apparently no longer think torture has a place in U.S. policy, but Bubba sure hopes a “24”-style cowboy steps up if someone ever nabs a terrorist who knows a bomb is about to blow.

Triangulating, much?

Should Hillary Clinton win the Democratic nomination and the next presidential election (if it’s not suspended due to a ‘national emergency’ in the meantime and if it’s not fixed if it does happen) her Presidency’ll just be more of the same: like Gordon Brown has post-Tony Blair (who?), Clinton’ll quite happily accept the unitary executive theory and to assume the powers of the previous autocrat in office once elected.

Just as SuperGordo has she’ll dress those autocratic powers in touchyfeely, management inspirospeak: but underneath the shiny smile and friendly suits will be the same old corporate tool, willing to shade any moral issue to advance their career and their sponsors’ interests.

“If you’re the Jack Bauer person, you’ll do whatever you do and you should be prepared to take the consequences,” Bill Clinton said yesterday.

In Fox’s hit show “24,” actor Kiefer Sutherland’s character Jack Bauer is regularly confronted with the ticking-time bomb scenario – and makes his own rules about how to save the country.

Pointing to the show, Clinton argued on NBC’s “Meet the Press” it was better that way because any law that approved torture could be abused.

“If you have any kind of a formal exception, people just drive a truck through it, and they’ll say, ‘Well, I thought it was covered by the exception,'” Clinton said.

“When Bauer goes out there on his own and is prepared to live with the consequences, it always seems to work better,” he said.

Torture is a substantive issue and the US news media doesn’t do subtantive, it does Jack Bauer. And hey, what does torture matter when Bill had his lollipop licked in the sacred Oval Office and Hillary cackles?

But even allowing for rightwing media spin, this isn’t the kind of moral sophistry the world needs in its leaders just now. Torture is brutal, inhuman and illegal; it’s not a finessable issue.

To see the frontrunning Democratic candidate’s partner, a former lawyer and president himself who’s well aware of torture’s illegality (which makes his words all the more reprehensible) using torture as a triangulation point and vote-grabber, is the clearest illustration there is that the leadership of the Democratic party, as it stands, is as morally corrupt – if not ethically worse because of their mealy-mouthed hypocrisy – as the Republican government they seek to replace.

Mr. Clinton was anonymously quoted earlier this week by Tim Russert during the Democratic debate on MSNBC. In that instance, Mr. Russert read a quote that suggested it was appropriate to use torture on a captured terrorist if it was known he or she had knowledge of an impending terrorist attack. Mrs. Clinton ended up opposing that view, before Mr. Russert told her it was her husband who had said it.

Mr. Obama’s campaign was clearly pleased at having unearthed this example of Mr. Clinton in 1992 arguing against Mr. Clinton in 2007. Within moments of him delivering the remark here, the Obama campaign sent out a press release, complete with a link to the video of Mr. Clinton speaking on, you guessed it, You Tube.

Leaving morals aside (something Democrats seem to be able to do with ease), in purely campaigning terms it is very clever indeed of Barack Obama to use torture as a wedge against Clinton media double-teaming. That’s the downside of the Clintons ‘twofer’ strategy: they’re saying “Look at us, we have history, we have experience, you’ll get 2 for 1” – but it’s also their weakest point: their history is their political underbelly. Norman Hsu could yet be Hillary’s undoing – Clinton/Hsu corruption is an issue being loaded into the Republican projection cannon as I type.

If the Clintons are subjected to barrage of rightwing corruption allegations they have only themselves to blame: again and again the Clintons have shown that they are willing to do anything, say anything, just as long as it picks up a few more votes. Granted they are not quite as corrupt as most Republicans but that will hardly matter – the Republican-embedded media knows damned well the best defence is a good offence. For once the target deserves it.

Comment of the Day: Hooray For Hollywood?

Remember this?

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The picture below is what stopped the ballot recounts in Florida shortly after it seemed that Legitimate President Gore had a lead. The “citizens” started what was later called “the preppy riot”. Screaming, yelling, pounding on the walls, these “outraged citizens” intimidated the polling officials to halt the recount. A closer look reveals who they really were. They were bussed and flown in at Republican lawmakers expense. Some even flew in on Tom Delay’s private plane.

Wingnut thugs on parade at the 'preppy riot', Miami 2000.

Here’s regular Digby commenter RU Reddy on news that Kevin Spacey’s making a movie about the 2000 Florida presidential recount:

I hope they get the finale right.

January 6, 2001. A joint session of congress is held to certify the electoral vote. Twenty members of the House, most of whom are part of the Congressional Black Caucus, attempt to contest the awarding of Florida’s 25 electoral votes to Bush. Their objection is based on credible allegations of African American voter disenfranchisement in that state. They need at least one Senator to sign on to their motion in order to proceed to the next parliamentary step (each body would seperately debate the merits of the motion then vote whether to sustain it).

Not one single Democratic Senator has the guts to support the motion, not one.

It turns out that Tom Daschle had cut a deal with Trent Lott to share power in Senate Committees in return for Democratic silence. Comity and bipartisan reconciliation reign. (It is David Broder’s wet dream.) There is peace in the Village.

[…]

And all this time I had thought that the Democratic Leaders and Senators were just afraid of looking bad. So it was a cynical deal all along? No surprise then that the Leadership Democrats oppose impeachment. Bush really is their President too, and was all along.
R U Reddy | 09.26.07 – 1:08 am | #

Well, quite.

Congressional Democrats are planning on letting this administration get away with election fraud yet again. The Democratic party simply cannot be trusted.

“You Know How To Whistle, Don’t You?”

There is nothing so low that these fuckers won’t stoop to it. When are the Democrats going to get that through their thick skulls?

Don’t Miss That Meme

As you can see in our feature story over on the right, [here] the White House’s new line is that Barack Obama may be too “intellectually lazy” to run a serious presidential campaign let alone be President of the United States.

But don’t think this allusion to generations of stereotypes about black men was just some stray comment.

The RNC just shot off an email building on the slur. With the headline “Razzle Dazzle”, the email continues the theme that Obama is just another black fancy-pants with a slick smile and nice turn of phrase but either without the candle-power or stick-to-it-iveness to actually get things done.

“Chicago Star Obama Continues His All Show, No Substance Campaign With Event On Broadway,” the email begins.

What to expect next out of the RNC? Obama would be a better singer and tap dancer than president?

Josh Marshall

Why stop there? Why don’t the RNC just run up ol’ Dixie over Congress and hook a couple of nooses to the bumper of the presidential limo?

All they have left to appeal to now is the base of the base of the base (and I use ‘base’ in its basest sense) – the rich white trash, the social inadequates, the creationists, the hardcore eliminationists, the milporn lovin’ chickenhawks and the staring-eyed John Birchers. They infest big money political donor groups like the Veterans of Foreign Wars and National Rifle Association and they’re just salivating for the day when all their Turner Diaries-fed fantasies of themselves as an oppressed minority striking back against liberals come true, and they get to play armageddon for real.

The dogwhistle’s blowing and the flying monkey minions hear it loud and clear. There’s to be 15 more months of this, supposedly; I dread to think how much lower the Republican party is going to go. What if a candidate is assassinated as a result of these naked appeals to bigotry?

I can’t decide whether that is in fact what the GOP and White House want or whether it’s just that they’ve become so powerdrunk and so arrogant that they think they can control a rabble once they’ve roused it. Either way, presiidential politics are taking an even scarier turn. Whatever you think of his politics, Barack Obama is a very, very brave man.

Democratic inaction works

It seems the Democrats might just have the presidency locked up for the foreseeable future, if Jamie Carville is to be believed:

A late July poll for Democracy Corps, a non-profit polling company, shows that a generic Democratic presidential candidate now wins voters under 30 years old by 32 percentage points. The Republican lead among younger white non-college-educated men, who supported President George W. Bush by a margin of 19 percentage points three years ago, has shrunk to 2 percentage points. Ideological divisions between the Republican party and young voters are growing. Young voters generally favour larger government providing more services, 68 per cent to 28 per cent. On every issue, from the budget to national security, young voters responded overwhelmingly that Democrats would do a better job in government.

It is not just Democracy Corps that has found this. A host of new polls and surveys over the course of the past few months has served as a harbinger of a rocky 2008 election for Republicans.

The March poll from the Pew Research Center showed that 50 per cent of Americans identify as Democrats while only 35 per cent say they are Republican. The June NBC-Wall Street Journal poll showed 52 per cent of Americans would prefer a Democratic president while only 31 per cent would support a Republican, the largest gap in the 20-year history of the survey.

Now earlier this week I talked about what seemed to be the Democratic tactic of not doing much to oppose Bush and to let the mounting disgust of the voters for him get them elected; this may just be the vindication of this tactic.

Had the Democrats opposed Bush more effectively earlier, for example on the War on Iraq, the American voters might not have become as disgusted with Bush and the Republicans as much and the Democratic lead would therefore be much smaller. Also, as I’ve also argued before, the Democratic leadership essentially agrees with quite a few of the politics Bush has enacted over the past six-seven years, not the least being the War on Iraq.

By mounting a token opposition on these points, by playing the victim in the Republican’s demonisation strategy, the Democratic Party’s leadership has tried to have its cake and eat it too: get unpopular policies enacted without being blamed for them…