I See You Baby, Kicking That Ass

For a Saudi woman to expose the hollow arguments of the Saudi patriarchy head-to-head on pan-Arab television is a very brave thing to do, not just morally but physically. Saudi women have been imprisoned, tortured and executed for much less.

Braver still is to use the oppressor’s own ammunition against him – and win. Saudi newscaster Buthayner Nasser is seen here in a televised debate about women’s role in public life and on tv, very publicly demolishing a male Saudi cleric’s arguments, and doing it in such a Koranically-based, logical and respectful yet totally kickass way that he can make no coherent response.

I defy you to watch this and not feel inspired.


[H/T Tenessse Guerilla Women]

Both those who see the mass of Saudi women as mere mobile, silent draperies with no voices or opinions and those who think that any feminist Moslem woman must ipso facto be automatically pro-western and pro-secular will be much enlightened and informed. Maybe it will also enlighten those self-righteous western feminists who think that they and they alone are the holy keepers of the precious feminist flame and that Moslem women are an ignorant amorphous mass just hanging around waiting to be liberated by the eventual triumph of western cultural values. There are many more ways to freedom than through the East Coast intelligentsia.

The original clip can be found here and was translated and subtitled by the Middle East Media Research Institute, which appears so far s I can tell to be a thoroughly worthy organisation in need of support.

(MEMRI) explores the Middle East through the region’s media. MEMRI bridges the language gap which exists between the West and the Middle East, providing timely translations of Arabic, Persian, and Turkish media, as well as original analysis of political, ideological, intellectual, social, cultural, and religious trends in the Middle East.

They also have a great back catalogue of subtitled clips from Middle Eastern current affairs and news programmes here, well worth looking at.

UPDATE

Good job I qualified that last statement with a “so far as I know” wasn’t it? From comments:

steve Says:

April 18th, 2007 at 8:01 am

Um. MEMRI are the guys whose “translation” was responsible for the whole Apple/Mecca storm in a teacup last year: for a neutral organisation, it’s quite surprising how often their translations make Arabs look bad and Israelis good….
Martin Wisse Says:

April 18th, 2007 at 12:02 pm

Actually, they have long been accused off being a crypto-zionist organisation and there have been times when their translations were …less than faithful to the original, shall we say?

I stand corrected.

Kos Does A Blog-Ratner

Lamer than lame Jack McLame, the winner of this year’s Mr Lame competition – Markos Multisas of Daily Kos replies to the critics of his recent post telling women bloggers that death threats are just bad internet manners so get over it, girlies:

Blogging and threats
by kos
Sun Apr 15, 2007 at 09:49:00 AM PDT

I don’t disagree with anything Lindsey wrote. I disagreed with using a bloggers threats as an excuse to foist upon us all a “Blogger Code of Conduct”.

That’s what I was saying. 1) There are assholes that will 2) email stupid shit to any public figure (which includes bloggers, but 3) that won’t be stopped by any blogger code of conduct.

You see, stupid asshole psycho threatening emailers don’t care about codes of conduct. That’s all.

Shorter Kos: “Shut up you buncha nagging wusses, you’re harshing my king of the internet mellow. I Am Kos! Look on my works ye lesser bloggers, and despair! That is all.”

I’m not one for codes of conduct either, so I’m not at all loth to say that Kos is in danger in disappearing up the fundament of his own self-importance.

Kos is where he is now because of luck, mostly. Whilst not denying his undoubted talent and application, nevertheless he just happened to catch the zeitgeist at the right moment. And if it hadn’t been for the ongoing support of the progressive blogosphere – including feminist bloggers and diarists – Daily Kos would never have taken off at all and he’d be just like the rest of us, slogging away in well-deserved obscurity.

Kos seems to have forgotten one of the cardinal rules of marketing (one that Gerald Ratner learned to his cost) – never take the piss out of your customers. They can turn on you.

It’s LART* Time Again

Chris Clarke at Pandagon gives those men who’re pontificating on ‘wussy’ women who can’t take online harassment (see Wampum’s roundup for backstory) a great big whack with the clue bat :

How not to be an asshole: a guide for men
Published by Chris Clarke April 13th, 2007 in Gender Issues, Assholes.

[…]

I’m a big fan of dispassionate, rational, fact-based discussion of the issues myself, and it is in that spirit that I offer, to my brethren who’ve taken it upon themselves to be a shining light of dispassion on this topic, these fraternal words of guidance:

Shut the fuck up.

Here are a few of the actual facts that prompt the above sage counsel:

— You are not saying anything the women you’re talking to haven’t heard a thousand times before. You are not saying anything the women you’re talking to haven’t told themselves a thousand times before. If you would actually stop your reflexive know-it-all yammering and pay attention to what women actually SAY about the offenses they suffer on the sexual harassment – rape continuum, you will note that almost to a woman they second-guess their own gut feelings about the putative offender far beyond the point where almost any man would.

— You are wrong. If you doubt that the nature of abuse and harassment women suffer, online or off, differs from that men experience, then you don’t know what you’re talking about. Oddly, the Internets offer a way for you to verify this fact for yourself. About a dozen years ago, at the urging of a feminist online acquaintance, I logged on to AOL using an obviously female but non-provocative handle. (”AliciaMN.”) Within five minutes of logging on I had sexually abusive IMs popping up from men I didn’t know. Didn’t matter which room I was in: general chat, politics, classical music. I kept up the experiment for I think four days, a couple hours a day, sometimes chatting with people about non-sexual topics, sometimes just lurking. Two of the men who IMed AliciaMN with blatantly and obnoxiously sexual messages — “Hey, I’m up in Alaska! How ’bout you thaw my dick out with your throat?” being an example I recall — responded to my NON-response by telling “Alicia” she deserved to get raped.

This is neither new nor surprising information to any woman here. I mention it because 1) maybe if a man says it it’ll be taken seriously and 2) it implies a suggestion that disbelievers find a venue equivalent to AOL in its heyday and repeat my experiment, in the spirit of dispassionate empiricism.

— If no woman in your life has ever talked to you about how she lives her life with an undercurrent of fear of men, consider the possibility that it may be because she sees you as one of those men she cannot really trust.

— Finally, let’s assume just for the sake of argument that you’re right. You aren’t. But just as a gedankenexperiment, let’s pretend you are, and that the women who are talking about the massive deadweight silence from men about the harassment they experience, and who are getting all upset and speaking in terms of “war zones” and “hate crimes” and such are just being emotional, hysterical even, and — like the people who forward that bogus email about the guy with the ropes and duct tape in hs trunk in the mall parking lot — just need to be set straight with a calm, measured dose of logic and fact-checking.

In most situations, that’s a fine impulse. There really is no reason to get upset about LSD in blue star tattoos, and Bill Gates really isn’t paying people who forward a chain email.

But this situation is qualitatively different. When the topic at hand is men not taking an issue seriously, suggesting that the issue might not really be all that serious is not being dispassionate. It is, in fact, taking a side. And the people on the side you’re taking, incidentally, include the gropers, the rapists, the sexual-favor-demanding bosses.

In short, if you’re interested in quibbling with the data or suggesting alternate interpretations of what Kos really meant when he called Kathy Sierra a lying “crying blogger,” and your goal is not to be a flaming asshole, shut the fuck up.

And when you shut the fuck up, two magical things happen:

1) You’re no longer actively contributing to the very problem you’re discussing;
2) It’s easier to listen to what the women are actually saying.

Well, quite.

I have to wonder though – would I have featured this post with such alacrity had it been written by a woman? I’d like to think so, but let’s face it, we’re all products of our own conditioning and I, like every poor bugger else, was raised in a patriarchy so quite possibly I wouldn’t have. Which is sad.

*Google is your friend.

The Phony War

If you read nothing else today please read Sara Robinson’s essay at Orcinus about the harassment of Kathy Sierra and the wider issue it raises of the treatment of vocal women online. She posits that the world of online discourse has effectively been declared as another theatre of war by the US Right, and any notions of rules of engagement have, like the Geneva Coventions, been declared quaint and outdated.

This ties in directly with what I posted yesterday about the US government’s attempt to steal the root keys of the whole internet: that there has been an unofficial (ie the pundits have announced it but the government hasn’t – dodging accountability yet again) ‘declaration’ of proto-fascist, imperialist online war by the Right. now they’ve lost the political argument and the facts are against them.

Oh no, what to do? Slash and burn and blow up the ‘battlefield’. As in real life, so online – no virtual atrocity is now considered out of bounds :

[…]

Back in the bad old days, in most Western cultures, abusive men were protected by a sweetheart deal with the rest of society. The line was clear, simple, and firm: Within the privacy of your home, you could abuse the women of your household in any way that pleased you. That was your right as lord of the castle. As long as you kept it behind closed doors, the community would take your word over hers about what happened, and look the other way rather than notice her bruises. A man’s right to abuse women was absolute and protected — as long as he kept it out of the public eye.

But — and this was the catch — if a man abused a woman in public, where other people would be forced to acknowledge the brutality, all bets were off. Once there were witnesses, it became everybody’s business. Of course, the sanctions focused less on the welfare of the victim, and more on society’s perception of the perpetrator: a man who lost emotional control in front of others lost status and deniability (from then on, those bruises might be noticed after all) — and was at risk for losing his job, his money, and his freedom as well.

There was, however, one place this contract didn’t reach. In war zones, even “civilized” men were excused from any accountability for their actions towards women. In wartime, even “civilized” nations have regarded the public rape and slaughter of women as just another act of war.

And that’s what concerns me here. Metaphorically, the Web is analogous to a public street or meeting hall, and most of us adhere to the same social conventions that we’d use in real-world public places. Women may get whistles and cat-calls (which are every bit as annoying online as they are on a city street — and, fortunately, as ignorable as well); but by and large, we reasonably expect that men will let common courtesy govern their interactions with us.

But if you read her blog, it’s obvious that Sierra’s attackers weren’t adhering to anything like the town square behavior code. (To make the point: if a gang of men had surrounded her and threatened her with rape and murder on a city street, she could have called the cops and had them put away for a long, long time.) Instead, everything about these attacks suggests that those responsible assumed they had a war zone exemption, which suspends accountability for even the most extreme forms of violence against women. Which tells me that, somewhere in their minds, these guys no longer recognize the Web as a community, or the women they meet there as legitimate and equal members of that community. Instead, they see it as a battlefield, where violence is the expected norm. In this imaginary war zone, any woman who’s out in public without male escort has already forfeited any claim to dignity or life.

Where did they get this idea? Sierra’s blog was a downhome tech blog, not a political free-for-all. Her readership was largely male, and she’d served them well for over four years. The vast majority of men would never allow themselves to be seen treating a woman (or anyone, for that matter) this way in public; but these guys figured they could brutalize her, in broad daylight in front of hundreds of other people, with impunity. Why?

Most likely, it was because the men who put up the most heinous comments were right-wing authoritarian followers (RWAs), whose high-social-dominance (high-SDO) leaders given them permission to unleash their violent impulses, and encouraged them to direct it toward high-profile female targets. They did it because someone they regarded as an authority figure told them that the community rules don’t apply any more. America is a war zone. The President has told them so. Their leaders have given them the formal go-ahead to behave accordingly. And that has very specific implications for how they’re allowed to treat women they see as standing outside their own in-group.

[…]

Read whole thing

This is an excellent examination of the way in which certain objectified individuals are isolated and attacked as away of building coherence within an in-group. All are united in the five-minute hate.

If I have any argument with this essay at all it’s that it doesn’t acknowledge that this is the kind of behaviour that minority bloggers of whatever gender have to put up with day in, day out. Sara Robinson herself quotes this from Salon:

But it coarsens you to look away, and to tell others to do the same. I’ve grown a thicker skin. I didn’t want skin this thick. And what does it mean that women writers have to drag around this anchor every time they start to write — that we reflexively compose our own hate mail, and sometimes type and retype to try to avoid it? I can honestly say it’s probably made me more precise and less glib. That’s good. But it’s also, for now, made me too cautious. I write less than I would if I wasn’t thinking these thoughts. I think that’s bad. I think Web misogyny puts women writers at a disadvantage, and as someone who’s worked for women’s advancement in the workplace, and the world, that saddens me.

Without wishing to denigrate the experience of women so afflicted I do have to wonder if, had that read ‘minority’ and ‘racism’ in the place of ‘women’ and misogyny’, whether the topic of online harassment would have got half so much coverage in blogtopia (thanks Skippy).

There’s also the question of anonymity and the licence it gives to be considered, though it’s not as though Orcinus hasn’t tackled that or the position of minority bloggers in the past, so these are minor criticisms.

But, continuing the analogy of a unofficially declared online war, this move to intensify the attack on visible women can be seen as just another battle tactic – attacking your enemy where she’s percieved to be weakest.

The Right is too stupid and vaingloriously testosterone-addicted to realise that women are far from weak; the fact that they see us as being so says all we need to know about their paucity of their intelligence sources and the illusory nature of their ‘online war’ capability.

They’re chickenhawks, not only in life, but also online: and like all abusers they should be named and shamed, using every online tool available. You can tell a lot from an IP address.

I Cannot Believe I Did Not Notice That.

I’ve only just noticed that since we moved to WordPress, the authorship tags are gone from the posts. Everything I’ve ever posted on this blog now looks as though Martin wrote it (his name being on the front page) but the ratio of my posts to his is 80-odd percent to 15 or so. I write most of this blog and it looks as though it’s entirely Martin.

Now I’m all for togetherness and I may be pseudonymous and semi-anonymous, but that ain’t right.

Seems to me we have a problem here; thanks to WordPress we’ve become all too typical of so many partnerships – the woman does all the hard slog and the man gets all the credit.

The question is, how do we fix it? We have a huge 5 year post archive, most of which hasn’t even been recategorised yet. Erk….

In the meantime I’ll tag my posts myself.

Palau