Steve Gilliard and Wikipedia

Sadly this past weekend, Steve Gilliard died, which lead to an outpouring of grief in the leftwing part of the blogosphere and also to a long needed Wikipedia entry. Unfortunately, this started another Wikipedia clusterfuck, as the article was nominated for deletion, after having been speedily deleted and then restored first by an editor who was slightly too quick to judge. Needless to say, this did not sit well with the people mourning Steve’s death. The resulting discussion on the proposal for deletion page was an …interesting look at what happens when two online cultures clashed.

On the Wikipedia side, those editors who supported deletion kept hammering on notability as the reason why the article should not be included and that notability should be established by citing respectable sources. What this means is that for Wikipedia, having a popular, much read blog is not enough: it has to be proven this blog has an influence outside itself, preferably by being cited in sources that are not blogs themselves, like newspapers or books. This is not in itself an onerous requirement: most blogs are just vanity vehicles after all, with little impact on the wider world or much to say about them. And while his readers knew how influential Steve was, ths still needs to be established for those who did not know him.

On the blogging side, this all seemed like nitpicking and worse, disrespectful for a much loved blogger who had just died, with several people thinking this was a rightwing attempt to “obliterate [his] memory”. Warnings about this debate therefore quickly spread through various blogs, which lead to an influx of people wanting to register their disgust and/or voice their support to keeping the article. This in turn set off the Wikipedias again, whose more experienced editors know very well how often deletion debates have been derailed by malicious trolls.

Fortunately, there were still sensible people on both sides, with various Wikipedians patiently explaining the policies developed over the years for notability and such, while bloggers went and established this, leading finally to a decision to keep the article. Yet all this uproar had not been necessary had the original editor who proposed to delete it not been so quick to jump the gun and actually investigated Steve first…

There are some lessons for Wikipedians to be learnt from this. First, we should remember that there is life outside of Wikipedia. Vast, cool unsympathetic intelligences may be watching your perfectly legitamite actions on Wikipedia and think you a villain. Recently, Wikipedia has clashed with webcomics fans over the deletion of a whole range of entries about webcomics for not being noticable, with science fiction fandom for thinking James Nicoll was not worthy of inclusion and Teresa Nielsen Hayden wasn’t an expert on sf and now with leftwing political bloggers for the ill advised attempt to delete him from Wikipedia. These actions may all have been undertaken with the best of intentions, without any malice towards the subjects in question, but that is not as it comes across. We need to realise that and be more careful in such conflicts to explain ourselves.

Which leads to the second lesson: Wikipedia is almost impenetrable for new users. It’s supposed to be the encyclopedia anybody can edit, but if you want to do more than just do some little copyediting on some innocent little article, you need to start learning about a lot of policies, a lot of jargon and unfortunately, a lot of politics. In situations such as this therefore, with huge numbers of new people getting their first taste of Wikipedia behind the screens, we need to make sure (again) to explain what we mean, what the policies are and how things work.

The final lesson is that maye, just maybe, the policies on notability are due for a drastic overhaul. They were originally drawn up to protect Wikipedia from spammers and vanity articles, but over the years they’ve hardened to the point that anything that’s obscure or too nerdy is automatically suspect. It doesn’t help that some editors seem to be more active in deleting articles than in writing them… We need to realise that Wikipedia can cope with having articles on semi-obscure webcomics, sf fans and political bloggers, that only true spammers or vanity articles should be deleted, nothing else.

Wikipedia vs Private Eye

This is interesting… Snatched from a Dave Langford comment at Making Light comes this Private Eye article insinuating that Wikipedia was pressured into scrubbing most of the more …damning material from the entry on Giovanni di Stefano, selfstyled lawyer to the stars, if the stars are not very nice former heads of states accused of crimes against humanity:

WIKIPEDIA WHISPERS

IT’S hard to keep up with the helter-skelter career of Giovanni di Stefano, the self-styled lawyer who claims to have represented Saddam Hussein, Slobodan Milosevic, Ian Brady and Kenneth Noye.

The past fortnight has seen him busier than ever: issuing statements on behalf of his chum “Dutchy” Holland, who is in Belmarsh awaiting trial on abduction and firearms charges; complaining about political interference in the Eurovision song contest; revealing that Saddam was a fan of Dundee FC, where di Stefano was once a director; threatening legal action against Ashworth top-security hospital for refusing to let Ian Brady keep a book about the Moors Murders; and, er, releasing a CD by “Italian singer Just Carmen” which includes a cover-version of “Everyone’s Gone to the Moon” by kind permission of di Stefano’s mate Jonathan King, the convicted sex-offender.

Until recently, anyone wanting a guide to his exotic career could find an extensive article in Wikipedia, which mentioned everything from his fraud conviction in 1986 (when a judge branded him “one of nature’s swindlers, without scruples or conscience”) through his failed attempts to buy football clubs and the recurring doubts about whether he’s really a lawyer at all. (“As far as we’re concerned,” the Law Society has said, “he has no legal qualifications whatsoever.”)

Di Stefano didn’t like this one little bit. Two years ago he started editing out anything he found embarrassing, sometimes twice a day, to the point where the page was “locked” for several months to prevent further tampering. When asked to stop deleting the contents he threatened Wikipedia contributors with legal action.

On 24 April this year, without warning, Wikipedia founder and director Jimmy “Jimbo” Wales personally deleted the entire page. Soon afterwards a new, cleaned-up version of the di Stefano entry was created – minus all the awkward facts.

This is of course denied on the relevant discussion page, but there has been a similar incident when John Byrne complained about his article, which was not to his liking but largely true if not very well sourced andwhich was subsequently scrubbed by Jimbo “sole founder of Wikipedia” Wales himself. So it would not surprise me if he panicked again in this case…

James Nicoll is being deleted!

Don’t worry, it’s only his Wikipedia entry that’s under threat from overzealous editors, on the grounds that he’s “non noticable”, which more and more these days is Wikipedia speak for “I never heard of him and I can’t be bothered to find out more about him”. If you look at the entry’s editing history as well, you see a pattern emerging in which the same editor first prunes it down until it’s almost worthless and then nominates it for deletion because there’s nothing interesting in the remaining article.

In all, this little kerfuffle seems to be exactly what drove Teresa Nielsen Hayden to give up on Wikipedia. The vinegar pissers are in control, the people who’d rather delete articles than create them, the
people with no humour but with an inflated sense of importance and with the time to watch Wikipedia 24/7 and gain power. Wikipedia rewards those users who dedicate themselve to doing cleanup more than it rewards users who dedicate themselves to writing articles, partially because doing cleanup gians you a lot of edits, fast, which is considered important in an user and partially because the Wikipedia culture as a whole is so wary about vandalism and abuse after the horrid experience it has gone through the past few years when it grew too large too quickly. In the process the baby got thrown out with the bathwater and it is now possible for people who literally contribute nothing but delete andnoticability notices to Wikipedia to be elected to positions of power.

The pendulum needs to swing back, to a culture more open to less serious entries you wouldn’t find in the Encyclopedia Brittanica, which is less obsessed with citations and has a better grip on how to handle those parts of culture mainly found online, like James Nicoll. The first step should be death to noticability!

UPDATE: see also Irregular Webcomic.

Wikipedia

There is once again a minor kerfluffle going on about Wikipedia, with the usual nonsense being spread about it. Some of the more egregious being spread by Danah Boyd:

On topics for which i feel as though i do have some authority, i’m often embarrassed by what appears at Wikipedia. Take the entry for social network: “A social network is when people help and protect each other in a close community. It is never larger than about 150 people.” You have *got* to be kidding me. Aside from being a patently wrong and naive misinterpretation of research, this definition reveals what happens when pop cultural understandings of concepts become authorities.

How serious can you take a criticism of Wikipedia which links to the simple English version of an article and never acknowledges this, even after this had been pointed out in the comments to the post. There’s a reason it’s called simple English.

What also pissed me off was having the following quote by Robert McHenry, Former Editor in Chief, Encyclopedia Britannica, added in an update:

“The user who visits Wikipedia to learn about some subject, to confirm some matter of fact, is rather in the position of a visitor to a public restroom. It may be obviously dirty, so that he knows to exercise great care, or it may seem fairly clean, so that he may be lulled into a false sense of security. What he certainly does not know is who has used the facilities before him.”

Note that this comes from an article written for FlackCentralStation, that noted bastion of fair and balanced reporting on various technological and political matters, last seen spreading lies about DDT use and malaria.

And like so much else coming from FlackCentral, this quote makes for a great soundbyte but is wrong in all particulars. Anyone can easily check the history of a wikipedia article, know exactly what the article looked during any given revision and can track the changes in it. Try this with any of the commercial encyclopedias.

In general, this article is an exercise in kicking in open doors: never trust a single source, many students are inclined to be lazy and many students are naive in their research. None of which, an astute observer may notice, is specific to Wikipedia.

It is not that there aren’t real problems with Wikipedia. There is for example, the question of Wikipedia’s systemic bias or the very real problem of it becoming a battleground between various groups of political and religious zealots. But these sort of worries do not make for easy scaremongering or easy sensationalism, so therefore we get these pseudo issues about trust.