{"id":11204,"date":"2025-05-07T05:36:16","date_gmt":"2025-05-07T10:36:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cloggie.org\/wissewords2\/?p=11204"},"modified":"2025-05-07T05:36:16","modified_gmt":"2025-05-07T10:36:16","slug":"how-can-you-be-silenced-if-you-have-your-own-magazine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cloggie.org\/wissewords2\/2025\/05\/07\/how-can-you-be-silenced-if-you-have-your-own-magazine\/","title":{"rendered":"How can you be silenced if you have your own magazine?"},"content":{"rendered":"

\nIf you want to write a n article on how toxic fans are silencing comics pros<\/a>, maybe don’t use Roy “I stole the credits for Wolverine from Len Wein’s barely cold corpse” Thomas:\n<\/p>\n

\nRoy Thomas, a fan-turned-pro who went on to become an industry legend, cordially declined participating in the comic. \u201cI received quite a bit of toxic hate beginning last April when it was announced that I\u2019d be credited in Deadpool & Wolverine as co-creator of Wolverine,\u201d he wrote to me. \u201cIt made me determined\u2026[to avoid] a con where I might find myself in the company of the people who had attacked me.\u201d He\u2019s written an article about the ordeal for an upcoming issue of his own magazine, Alter Ego #194.<\/p>\n

This soft-spoken, erudite, 84-year-old man has been bullied into silence. And because of that, the rest of us are missing out on a treasure of stories and knowledge. There aren\u2019t many Bronze Age creators left, every day we lose some of that history.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

\nCriticism isn’t toxic, nor can you silence someone who has his own fanzine. Roy Thomas stole the credit for creating Wolverine from Len Wein, Herb Trimpe and John Romita once all three were safely dead and unable to object. It’s a sad attempt to inflate his own ego from somebody whose career is important enough to not need it. Of course it provoked a storm of criticism, especially when he then wrote an op-ed arguing his name should’ve come first<\/a>. Just completely maidenless behaviour.\n<\/p>\n

\nUsing this as the sole example in your article about social media driven toxic fandom completely undermines its argument. Anybody who isn’t Roy Thomas can clearly see this is sour grapes on his part, not a genuine example of how toxic fans can behave. It’s a pity none of the other people cited in the article provide any concrete examples; Ann Nocenti comes closest by talking about gamersgate offshoot comicsgate. I’m sure the author meant well, but having Thomas abuse their good intentions this way means it became worthless. There is a discussion to be had about fan entitlement and how that can drive interactions with pros, but this isn’t it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

If you want to write a n article on how toxic fans are silencing comics pros, maybe don’t use Roy “I stole the credits for Wolverine from Len Wein’s barely cold corpse” Thomas: Roy Thomas, a fan-turned-pro who went on to become an industry legend, cordially declined participating in the comic. \u201cI received quite a […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11204","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-comix"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/cloggie.org\/wissewords2\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11204","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/cloggie.org\/wissewords2\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/cloggie.org\/wissewords2\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cloggie.org\/wissewords2\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cloggie.org\/wissewords2\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=11204"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/cloggie.org\/wissewords2\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11204\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":11205,"href":"https:\/\/cloggie.org\/wissewords2\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11204\/revisions\/11205"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/cloggie.org\/wissewords2\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=11204"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cloggie.org\/wissewords2\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=11204"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/cloggie.org\/wissewords2\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=11204"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}