The war in Afghanistan

Oh look, three years after the fact, the war in Afghanistan is hot again … in the leftwing blogs:

Am I arguing that on balance I think the Afghanistan war was “wrong?” Honestly, I don’t even know enough to answer that question. I supported it at the time, even though I had justifiable misgivings about the details, but the question isn’t whether it was “justified” in some simplistic sense- it’s whether we achieved desirable and necessary aims at a minimum of cost which couldn’t otherwise be achieved.

This New Republican desire to marginalize the peaceniks is simply the identical logic and rhetoric which led them to be marginalized during the march to Iraq. We see how well that worked out. The peaceniks weren’t necessarily right on Afghanistan, and while I was an Iraq peacenik it wasn’t necessarily the case at the time that I was right. However, in both cases the country would have been better served if we’d had a wider and more comprehensive debate on the goals, wisdom, purpose, methods, and post- conflict planning than we did.

Opposition to the war in Afghanistan was in fact a legitimate position, even if it was the wrong position, and could have been an honest position by people who weren’t simply knee-jerk anti-war, or america-haters, or people who, like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, thought we got what we deserved on 9/11, or anything else. People may have thought there were better ways to punish those responsible and to combat terrorism, whether or not they were correct.

Atrios, in response to a post by Kevin “objectively wrong on Iraq” Drum:

If the Taliban’s refusal to hand over Osama bin Laden after 9/11 wasn’t enough to justify military action, I’m not sure what is — and I think it’s fair to say that anyone who loudly opposed the Afghanistan war is just flatly opposed to any use of American military power at all.

Drum’s position is ridiculous on its face, but Atrios’ isn’t much better. Look at the stated aims of the
Afghanistan war: kill or capture Osama Bin Laden, destroy Al Quida and its allies in the Taliban, bring
“democracy and freedom” to Afghanistan. Have any of these been fulfilled? Could any of these be fulfilled by military action?

Of course not.

My position at the time was that a war against Afghanistan would only hurt the country even more, would not destroy Bin Laden Al Quida and would be bungled by the Bush administration. I believed then as I do now, that terrorism is better fought by the police than it is by soldiers, that bombing Afghanistan to the stone age, again was an overreaction and a sideshow, a distraction. The US could not be seen to be helpless in the face of the September 11 attacks and had to do something, even if this was the wrong thing to do. Meanwhile, it offered a nice smokescreen for Bush and co to implement their real plans, to start the preparations for the war against Iraq, not to mention the extralegal torture ring they establish in Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay and in client states like Saudi Arabia, Egypt or Pakistan.

It was understandable that liberals would support this war, understandable but wrong. I really think this is somewhat obvious three years on, with Afghanistan in as much turmoil as before September 2001, Al Quaida actually stronger and Osama Bin Laden still on the loose.

Red Cross accuses US of torture at Guantanamo

According to the Financial Times, the Red Cross has accused the US government of using torture methods at Guantanamo Bay:

The International Committee of the Red Cross has accused the US of using psychological and physical
pressure to interrogate prisoners at its detention centre in Guantánamo Bay in tactics tantamount to
torture.

Following a June visit to Guantánamo, the ICRC raised concerns that interrogators were using harsh
techniques which were affecting the health of the detainees, according to a person familiar with the
situation.

The ICRC report, which the Bush administration received in July, criticises the US military for allowing doctors at Guantánamo to facilitate interrogations by providing interrogators with detainees’ medical records. The report is also understood to criticise the military’s use of humiliation and solitary confinement for extracting information.

We already knew that this was going on from the moment the first detainees arrived at Guantanamo and even before, in Afghanistan itself. We even knew that medical personnell, like “doctor” Louis Louk were playing a less than savoury role. What I am wondering is why some people can support the US in their actions in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere knowing about this, yet can still call themselves leftists without feeling ashamed.

To me the Iraq war is a litmus test; if you are a true leftist, you oppose it. If you do not, you’re not.

Proud of Britain

Aren’t we all proud of Britain? Apparantely not so the Labour Party (sic) who threatened the patriot who put up the Proud of Britain website, just because they have a much inferior initiative of their own, to which I will not link.

Meanwhile, could it be that the Labour Party has a scandal on his hands, now that a certain Home Secretary has been accused of all sorts of not so ethical behaviour? Who would have thought that such a moral crusader could be so hypocritical? Certainly not me…

Meanwhile, some other news that perhaps might make you less proud of Britain, or at least its current government. It turns out the Blair administration may have known all about naughty Mark Thatcher and co’s plans to …ummm…. “spread democracy” to Equatorial Guinea. Remember, only a loon or a conspiracy theorist” (oooh!) would think this had anything to do with oil.

Mind, with Iraq not being the surefire property it once seemed to be, who can blame mr. Blair for trying to diversivy his investments?

Conspiracy theories

Lenin’s tomb reports that an Observer poll revealed most Brits believe ther bush administration knew about the September 11 Attacks and allowed them to happen.

I have not seen any responses to this news yet, but they are not hard to imagine. Frothing at the mouth denunciations from the right wing war supporters, hand wringing apologias from the liberal , moderate, “sensible” anti-war people, and tut-tutting by the “leftwing war supporters. (Case in point…). They will have one thing in common: a (faked) outrage that people are so silly as to believe in *gasp* conspiracy theories, as if US governments have never conspired against their own citizens, Operation Northwood and MK-Ultra not withstanding.

Despite these denounciations, we should not be too fast in rejecting the very real possibility that Bush and co “allowed” the attacks to happen, or at the very least did not try very hard to prevent them. The Bush administration has proven to have no problems with lying or causing the deaths of innocent bystanders to realise their policy goals, after all. Sure, they may have just been very incompetent, locked into a Cold War mindset that only regarded state actors as dangerous, but there are just too many nagging things about the attacks to completely disregard the option that more was going on.

Two and two is five

Over in the comments to this post, The Republic of Palau makes a point that deserves wider attention, about the critiques of that infamous Lancet study:

This whole situation has another aspect: the rubbishing of most respectable research that disproves the neocon worldview. It’s all of a piece with the faith-led agenda, when carefully researched, rigidly peer-reviewed science is rubbished on ideological grounds rather than its methodology or substance. The Lancet is a world-respected medical journal, and has no political agenda. The scientists approached the research as an epistemiological exercise i.e. ‘How can you safely estimate death rates and causualties in a war situation?’

The results were reviewed and reviewed, stringently and by some of the most eminently qualified scientists in the world, but that’s apparently irrelevant. Where the Republicans don’t like scientific results, they just rubbish and ignore them. They really are making their own reality.

These really are people who, as not even Orwell predicted, would happily argue that two plus two equals five if their masters ordered it. See also the ongoing saga of Michael Fumetti^wFumento, over at Deltoid. It’s hard to know whether to laugh or to cry.